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Offline Warren Toda

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« on: February 16, 2013, 04:21 AM »
Over the past two days, many news outlets (print and TV) across the country did a story on Justin Trudeau being presented with a very famous photo while he was visiting Loyalist College.

Only one(?) newspaper (the Belleville Intelligencer?) bothered to identify Rod MacIvor as the photographer who took the famous photo.

Sloppy reporting all around.


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Re: Nameless
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2013, 01:59 PM »
The Toronto Sun did something with it along with a story with Rod being
named and, sadly, the comments field was filled quite a number of
idiotic comments :(

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Re: Nameless
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2013, 04:44 PM »
Quote from: Jack Simpson
The Toronto Sun did something with it along with a story with Rod being named...

The print version of the Sun paper removed Rod's name from the caption.  ???

Also note that no paper bothered to identify the RCMP officer in the MacIvor photo: RCMP inspector Denis Ling.


Just for fun, here's Rod MacIvor's Trudeau picture (scroll down) and here'e Peter Bregg's version (scroll down).

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Re: Nameless
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2013, 12:01 AM »
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Also note that no paper bothered to identify the RCMP officer in the MacIvor photo.

A story about the *other* RCMP officer in that photo, but who was usually cropped from the frame whenever the picture was published. In this case, Peter Bregg's picture is used.


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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2013, 08:59 AM »
 There are many historical equivalents  to the way photographers are perceived . We perceive ourselves  as equals to reporters , and reporters and our business in general  appear to accept this in  theory . And YET , there are these funny little , NAGGING inconsistencies .
   We see evidence of a difference ,  historically and  currently in  the way our counterparts  treat our contribution .
   The picture , and photography came late to the party , design , even later .
The idea that the photography may help the reader understand  who the writer is quoting may be the only thing print journalism truly understands about photography . In journalism school , it seems that this is  only thing a writer learns about photography.
   This is why a cellphone camera might be thought of as an alternative to a photographer . The understanding of what we can add is never been truly understood in this business . It is  the business killing flaw , because this understanding is driving TV news and now the online version of newspapers.  
 There is a struggle with the idea of  photographs being information .There is no clear understanding of the total range  and impact of pictures on the public. The language to make non visual people understand photography is seldom used beyond vague concepts  not in their frames of reference.
  It is almost  a left brain right brain conundrum , it simply cannot be understood by print brained  , or non visual  people . By comparison spelling is not totally valued  by visualists . ( just made that word up)
  The value of a name on a photo is lost by those who truly see a photographers  contribution and something  less .An managing editor once  described the photograph as dessert , something sweet , left till the end of a meal , and only if there is room .  
  That picture was not used because there was no space is a common phrase . When you examine how the space was used there is an understanding that there is a commitment to a printed story that does not exist for photos . It is very hard for a printed minded person to judge the information or interest value of a photo  in comparison with a story . ( information is but one level) The language does exist but is seldom used.

  This is not a way back in the past kind of thing.  When an intern comes to work at  a  newspaper  , no matter where they come from  they are baffled when confronted with having to write a photo assignment .
    Some students and even senior reporters may even try to tell a photographer “the“  photograph . The story and photo problem need solving by both in similar ways .
    Photography has always been seen as a service department for stories .
Photographs are optional, if there is space . It is funny the weekend paper has the biggest pictures , because there is a commitment to pictures that does not exist in other papers . There is a commitment to design that does not  exist in other days of the week .
   Not understanding or seeing the subtle differences between two similar photos  , the idea that pictures are horizontal or vertical , that orientation  matters over content  . The idea that picture blocks simply break up the grey copy irrespective of content. The idea that content of a picture is unseeable  or definable in story telling terms .
  The sentence structure of a photo ( subject and action with descriptors) , the story telling aspects of pictures , pictures as evidence , or emotion , capturing the energy  of an event are ways that writers can be helped to understand content and relevance . The idea that a picture can connect a reader with an emotion is a very powerful  tool . They may help the reporter write the story  but not use the picture (pictures) .This common language is understood and valued by reporters  as well as connecting common practice to  photo issues , LIKE NAMES as credit for work done , disclaimers  to include not only the newspaper or picture agency but the photographer/author of the content. JUST like a reporter is credited or recognized in a footnote.  
 Names of photographers  are optional in the smallest type possible .( names of reporter content occupying the smaller or similar  physical area , square inches on a page  are not) Staff photo , archive photo , file photo are bad practices ,

There is a trend to selling pictures and rights  to pictures , trading  the names of iconic as well as ordinary photographers ( and there are no ordinary photogs) , the names in the smallest type possible , when they existed at all and replacing them unapologetically with  picture bank credits.

None of this makes sense if we consider ourselves equals  as everyone says. This silent racism  , silent discrimination exists . Try thinking of  yourself as unequal and it all makes sense. The “N” word jumps out , the Metis outside the fort another favourite , some may prefer “the Help”, the “expendables”. This is harsh in a comical sense , but the stress causes has been conistant over long decades .
This is not just an opinion. This prevailing attitude is now finally beginning  to change but web design is getting emphasis over content . Back  to square one with a non visual taking a short cut . Pictures do not take themselves.

Added note - In the world of smaller independent news papers , a great deal of experimentation   is possible  and being tried resulting in  the local product is being elevated .( as it should be the place for innovation) The big step is not only visual but creating new rules for how local information is farmed out.
 There are background stresses on photography that can only be described as unnecessary . That being said , in this time , the idea of Total Journalism needs to be expressed as an idea .
  If our craft is to report on everything and anything , all the time , there has to be singleness of purpose in how we do it. The idea that a newsroom divided into words and pictures and then again with pictures and multimedia will leave all short in a time when strength of skill and intellect are needed the most. All the elements are in place and with every person a tiger can bring reporting to the highest level of all media .
  At the end of the day journalism , good bad or indifferent will not save newspapers .Newspapers have been scared into quality for some time now.  The  standard of journalism  is likely the highest it has ever been , yet we still decline . The rules of information transfer are killing the opportunity for local  papers to sell the valuable and expensive commodity of information.


 
    
    
  

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Re: Nameless
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2013, 05:59 AM »
This past Thursday, June 13th, a Globe and Mail "Facts and Arguments" essay mentioned how Rod MacIvor's photo triggered memories of a man's father, a former RCMP officer and Pierre Trudeau's body guard for a nuber of years. This man's father was in the background of the iconic photo which was posted on a family's face book page. No one mentions who took it.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/fathers-day/a-snapshot-from-my-dads-trudeau-years-helped-me-face-my-grief/article12521619/